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Wednesday, April 27, 2005
Voices from a little island
Update: Shortphat remembers his Grandma's stories with fondness and the Postmaster General thinks I may be the next Studs Terkel. I not that old, right? But thanks anyway. :)
Lately, there has been a lot of talk about memoirs. I saw in the news that MM Lee is on a four-day visit to KL and met up with Dr Mahathir. They talked about a good many things, and the Channel NewsAsia clip featured Dr M talking about writing memoirs.
"(We) talked about how to write memoirs. How he, Colin Powell and George Bush did that. I told him I'm very slow. I write in long hand," Dr M told the reporters, referring to MM Lee's much-feted Memoirs.
Strange that I should see this news item now, because yesterday, a friend said to me, "Our history is being systematically and selectively erased."
I am not sure if my friend was being too extreme in his views, but I can see his point. The history of Singapore seems to be coming from a very small group of people.
I am sure MM Lee's memoirs are very important and significant to our understanding of Singapore's past. After all, the man has been there and done that. In fact, he is not done doing. Love him or hate him, he is the Father of this nation, and worthy of respect.
But Singapore was not created by just one man or one party alone. Many hands, both Singaporean and foreign, built this city. My father, who is the Father of me, has many stories to tell. In fact, it is hard to get him to stop when he gets started. He is normally a quiet man, but when you get him to tell you about the time he had to sell curry puffs with his youngest brother, to make ends meet, you see a fire in his eyes. And he doesn't have any two-volume hard-cover memoirs on sale in Borders.
This got me thinking. What if we could record the words of this older generation, so that our kids and our kids' kids, can know, can understand, can remember? Many of our parents and our parents' parents were immigrants, coming in Singapore to make a better life.
If I spoke to your fathers and mothers, what stories will they tell me?
The other thing that has struck me lately was the number of Singaporeans overseas.
I got this email from J:
"Just wanted to thank you for starting the podcast thingy... cos I'm stuck in bangladesh for 6 months.. (ok not stuck, my own free will lah) and being able to hear you all crap and talk nonsense is very comforting haha... I'm very tired of listening to perfect English!"
My first thought was, wow, my little podcast project is touching a fellow Singaporean in a foreign land. Who would have thought a few guys talking cock and making dumb jokes in Singlish would have such an impact? It is a very humbling thing.
My second thought was, what on earth is J doing in Bangladesh?
It seems ironic to me that as a nation built by the hardworking hands of immigrants, and now, even foreign talent, we are beginning to export ourselves to other countries. Perhaps our immigrant genes never really go away.
This then brings me to my second idea.
If I spoke to these Singaporeans overseas, what stories will they tell me?
I am interested in why they have made their journey from our island's comfort zone. Or discomfort zone. I want to know, if they have migrated overseas, whether they found their greener pastures there, or whether Singapore is really where they should have stayed. I want to hear this in their own words, unfiltered by any agenda to persuade our overseas brethren to come home.
So, two groups of Singaporeans, the older generation with their stories of old Singapore, and a younger generation who have left our shores, either permanently or temporarily, to be somewhere else. Both groups with stories I want to hear.
An oral history of Singapore, if you will. Told by ordinary Singaporeans,
Now if that isn't an idea screaming to be done as a podcast, I don't know what is.
I am so going to need a bigger server.
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Comments
actually , my dad ( who is oni 40 ) has a lot of stories to tell too ..
mainly due to the poverty tht his family has gone through ....
And i really do enjox ur podcast, gd to be updated and get jokes out of the daily news in sg *which we cant read anymore frm the straits times online blah*
Posted by: Sonya | Apr 28, 2005 12:35:42 AM
you are just finding an excuse to make use of podcast more...i do agree that our fathers or our fathers' father would retell history to us in a different light and will probably give us the commoner version of our history. as much as you would like to preserve that,sometimes it just ain't possible to preserve everything.
for example,the lives of Liu Bei,Guan Yu and Zhang Fei are immortalised, what about the war stories of those that served under them would tell to their sons? We sure dont hear about them.
crappy example..but i hope my point gets accross.
Posted by: eiji | Apr 28, 2005 12:48:07 AM
true tht he might juz wanna make full use of the podcast .. but aint u enjoyin it too ,eiji ?
Posted by: Sonya | Apr 28, 2005 1:04:08 AM
The Singapore Museum has a recording library of oral history in place. And I recall seeing their monthly pamphlets in the NLB introducing selected works about us ordinary folk.
Posted by: wandie | Apr 28, 2005 1:08:30 AM
I don't know if you've seen this before, and this is not my blog, but I suggest you look at:
http://singaporeserf.blogspot.com/
particularly the:
"Who are you?"
"What do you want?"
"Where are you going?"
"Who do you serve?"
"Who do you trust?"
on the right menu.
It's not always the most cogent analysis, but it's never abysmal, and it's feelings are strongly held.
Posted by: Edan | Apr 28, 2005 1:34:05 AM
hi mr brown
I've been lurking on yur blog for a long time now, but this is the first time I'm leaving a comment, and that's cause I think that History project of yurs is a great, and important, idea.
It's true that what goes into our history books, which memories are deemed important for a nation, are subject to ideologies perhaps only of those in power.
But like yu said, the nation is built by many hands, and many hopes and dreams, and values. It would be good to get a glimpse of these.
Posted by: yogajunkie | Apr 28, 2005 1:34:24 AM
If everyone had the same thinking as eiji, well, we will only have that 1 side of history. One view,manipulated or not because of how the state wants its people to see. No kick. Like, I would put S'pore's history as waaaay back in the 14th century, rather than the state's emphasis(which is changing) on 1819, where dear old Raffles arrived. Hearing ordinary people tell history from 'below' is good.
Posted by: dr-to-be negativity | Apr 28, 2005 1:43:42 AM
Singapore history is already in the making, or rather, writing... just look at the thousands of blogs by Singaporeans in the virtual world. No matter how irrelevant they seemed to people now, they are all a chronicle of life in today's world. (... like 10th century Japanese "pillow books"!) Unless something drastic happens to the internet, most of the blogs are going to be around for a long long time for the next generation. :)
(Someday ... far in the future, some young historian chap is going to include in his thesis that judging from the blog controversy generated, stealing cabs is considered a major sin in the 00s .... :D )
wandie: What? I missed a few issues of the oral soundbite newsletter? I have been keeping a sharp lookout for them after reading their first issue. Must email them to find out whether they got extra backdated copies! :D
Posted by: Roxanne | Apr 28, 2005 2:04:28 AM
Mr B,
I happen to be (as you may know) one of those Singaporeans currently residing overseas. I can't speak for all overseas Singaporeans, but personally, I miss home a whole lot and am actively making plans to move back to Singapore in the next couple of years.
Having spent 7 years in a different country only served to emphasize how much Singapore was home. Before leaving, I never imagined I'd miss Singapore this much, but much to my surprise, my roots reach further than I think.
Coincidentally, a friend of mine here has recently started working with a group dedicated to recording oral history through the stories of others. Their website is available at http://www.storycorps.net/ and they have some good DIY tutorials on there, to help you interview your own family and friends, and record their stories as oral history.
Posted by: Samantha | Apr 28, 2005 2:54:34 AM
Interesting that you should mention oral history and selective presentation of History. I am in Paris now and it is really comforting to be reading articles about singapore not on ST.
Anyway, 6 years ago, i acted in a play at Kallang Theatre for PAP for their 45th anniversary Written by TNS haresh.
It was really an interesting experience to be telling history from the perspective of someone younger in front of our leaders...
just a thought, i fully agree that MM is really one of a kind and respect all the way ...
Posted by: andy | Apr 28, 2005 3:11:35 AM
Mr Brown,
Just to add to the list of overseas listeners (US, California) you have like J and Samantha, I'm listening to it faithfully (read:not daily but eventually) and unless you are overseas away from SG, you will have no idea how much of the local slang you miss! Just listening to the podcast with the mix of english, hokkien, chinese and singlish is heartwarming :)
As for how green the pasture is, it depends on what you are looking at... alot of issues become clearer too wrt things like politics, health care, cost of living etc.. Maybe if you invite me to your podcast.... *hint hint* ;)
Posted by: Charles | Apr 28, 2005 3:37:35 AM
Hey, I'm writing in from California too.
A long long time ago, a wise person told me: "The only reason why the grass is greener on the other side, is because of all the cow dung."
My twist on this analogy is that all the "top brass enjoys the grass, and peons keep the grass green".
Not only is that true, but it is also true no matter where you go. Even when you come to the US, you wish that you had CPF, and not the medicare that we get here. There will be lots of examples, things to compare, and comparing them is like comparing apples to durians.
Speaking of durians, food is probably one of the only things I miss about Singapore. Not that it's terribly good, but the nostalgia of having meals with friends and having a good time with them.
Posted by: KC | Apr 28, 2005 6:32:42 AM
Can go and skype AcidFlask lah....I'm sure he'd have a whole bunch to say ... provided you keep his identity confidential (scarly he kena SUE again then how?)
Posted by: J Schnorng | Apr 28, 2005 6:45:15 AM
mr brown,
this is a great post. i agree with some of the other overseas singaporeans that it is great for me to be able to, in the midst of some annoying office political infightings, laugh out loud in my own room.
i look forward to hearing about others on why they are away from singapore too.
cheers
Posted by: Jonathan Poon | Apr 28, 2005 7:29:56 AM
Yeps.. knightofpentacles from singaporeserf will make an excellent resident expert. 8)
Posted by: Johnny Malkavian | Apr 28, 2005 7:46:29 AM
infact i really do enjoy listening ur stuff. it kinda acts as a reminder....that im a singaporean. Sometimes i forgot how i used to speak because i have been hanging around in some odd angmoh place.
Anyways keep ur podcast going
Posted by: kel! | Apr 28, 2005 7:50:37 AM
I'm with dr-to-be negativity... I want to know more about Singapore pre-Raffles. There's archeological evidence being unearth, sorted, classified, analysed but we never here about. All we're taught is that we were a small finsihing village. But there's evidence of people from all over the region since the 14th century. And they weren't all fishermen.
Overseas Singaporean too, I've come to appreciate Singapore much more being away...
Posted by: marianne | Apr 28, 2005 8:50:03 AM
ok, Singaporean in Shanghai added on the list.
Posted by: JxT | Apr 28, 2005 9:01:20 AM
I don't know about history far away. But i definitely know where to read about the most recent history compilation. SNE.
Posted by: ray | Apr 28, 2005 9:45:52 AM
call the oral history centre at the national archives. they'll be more than happy to attend to your requests for oral history recording.
Posted by: anonymousnoises | Apr 28, 2005 9:49:57 AM
Great idea mb! And if u do do this, u definitely need a bigger server :P
Posted by: Ruok | Apr 28, 2005 9:57:17 AM
Are you starting a project here? This is one of the best blog entry I've ever read for a long time.
I have my creative muvo (NOT ipod, hehe) in my pockets sometimes when I go to my grans, and record the voices of gran and aunties talking, gossiping in their dialect - Heng Hwa. There's a lot of noise in the playback, but somehow, it feels important to capture their voices and preserving it.
Posted by: query | Apr 28, 2005 10:00:29 AM
Wonderful idea :)
Posted by: ays | Apr 28, 2005 10:21:13 AM
a brown post that disproves it's infantility (if there were ever such a word)
i'll look forward to a pap-free version of singapore history! not that i'm anti-pap whatsoever, but it's always the same year in year out and it's getting boring.
p/s: can you kindly provide a text version as well?
Posted by: lyn | Apr 28, 2005 10:30:10 AM
Great idea! I'll cover the old chaps at Geylang and see if they have any stories.
Up Next: the quest for somebody to sponsor bandwidth and server space.
Posted by: cowboy caleb | Apr 28, 2005 10:45:32 AM
Singaporean in Sydney here! Definitely enjoy getting updates from your website. My daily mantra if you would ask me. And not to mention that ST online now needs subscription fees. Phoot! I love Singapore. I love Sydney too. Just a matter of adapting and perception. I will be back where I belong but not till I have wondered around the rest of the globe =)
Posted by: Jan | Apr 28, 2005 11:03:53 AM
hi mr brown!
i like reading your blog, esp posts about your daughter Faith :) and SNE of course. keep up the great writings!
Posted by: lilien | Apr 28, 2005 11:04:56 AM
I dun think tat I am the onli one tat is reading ur blog from overseas... u (Mr. M and the rest) do bring a breathe of fresh, local air (and perspective) to ppl like me. Keep up the good work.
Thinking along the line of the a wikeopedia (did i spelled it wrongly??), an unauthorised written history of Singapore can be built up... why not classify by year then places, personal experiences, polictical, business, social etc etc. Juz a suggestion
Posted by: Low | Apr 28, 2005 12:27:53 PM
Hey mrbrown,
Love this post, it kinda made me remember stories my grandma used to tell me all the time...
Posted by: Shortphat K | Apr 28, 2005 1:33:59 PM
I guess all overseas Singaporeans ( temp or perm ) do enjox the reminder of how we behave when we are back home .. always makes mi laugh out loud when i plug it in my winamp ...
"History is written only by the winners" ... enjox ur archiving
Posted by: Sonya | Apr 28, 2005 1:45:20 PM
i have always heard whines abt our "tyrant" MM Lee...
But yes.. i have always have respect for the man.
its like a love hate relationship towards dictators...
he for one has a hand in building our nation which has grown so far.
i wld love to lick his forehead..and maybe gain some light ..... HAHA*
Posted by: BiaTcH | Apr 28, 2005 2:19:58 PM
Another Singaporean in Sydney checking in... =) Talkingcock, your website, xiaxue, channelnewsasia all form part of my daily surfing routine.
Posted by: LeFire | Apr 28, 2005 2:31:53 PM
Yet another Singaporean in Sydney here! Like I said before, your podcasts and your website (along with mr miyagi's blog, limbueytor, bubblemunche, wonkytong, xiaxue) pretty much keep me in tune with happenings back home.
Posted by: Jerrold | Apr 28, 2005 3:08:12 PM
When I listen to the browncasts, it's almost as if I'm there at the same grimy kopitiam table as MB, Miyagi, "Mr Tan", Caleb etc, sipping my umpteenth teh tarik.
I've been looking for an opportunity to shout "Nabeh !" at someone here in HK.
Posted by: littlecartnoodles | Apr 28, 2005 5:16:38 PM
yes, i definately agree with littlecartnoodles ....
listening to podcast by mr-brown reminds mi of how my gal pals and i tok cok during our dinner session ....
ahhhh ... those moments ...
Posted by: Sonya | Apr 28, 2005 5:52:22 PM
True to no end. Many students now can already identify propaganda to great extents. And during social studies lessons, instead of truly learning of our history, we moan "Propaganda. Again." See the reluctance to even understand Singapore's history. Pretty boring they say, since we are still a young nation. Yet, could it be the excessive amounts of propaganda that drives us all nuts?
Heh! I'm just another teenage singaporean in singapore. But I have made friends online who are living overseas but were from singapore. Instead of the proper english, we gradually added singlish into our daily conversations. And they do admit that it does make them feel more at home though sometimes it makes them miss home alot.
Posted by: ning | Apr 28, 2005 6:24:34 PM
hey mr b! It's a fabulous and wonderful idea!! said by Singaporeans, written by Singaporeans! cant wait to hear all the stories from my grannie's generation or her elders! I always love to sit down, relax and listen to all these despite the horrendous exam time im goin thru now.. The exams will pass and we will forget abt them.. but definitely not the history!! Perhaps all of us cld write what we've heard in a local blog or something! Cheers!!
Posted by: McKay | Apr 28, 2005 6:59:27 PM
14th century history of S'pore and its environs can be gleaned from historical accounts of Indian, Arab and Chinese expansions in SE Asia. Somebody could write a children's book about this period up to the time of Raffles.
Posted by: Tangawizi | Apr 28, 2005 9:15:43 PM
I have been in DongGuan for the past 5 years. While it is true that the pasture is greener in Ch1na, the main reason is that the grass back home has all turned brown already.
If I had been able to continue to survive in Singapore, why not? Why leave all my friends behind? I would have been a happy salaried bloke. Alas it was not to be and now I find myself making my fortune in a foreign land.
I will come back at the end of the day but according to my calculations, I have another 26 years to go.
Given that the subscription of the Straits Times here is about S$1400 per year, I find that listening to podcast is a cheaper alternative as far as keeping up with the going-ons back home.
Posted by: Jaywalk | Apr 28, 2005 9:26:23 PM
Singaporean in Paris here! and really missing home.(one of the reasons that i started blogging too) especially during Chuxi, and other significant traditional holidays. and really, only when you come out to see the world(NOT as tourists, as tourists only see the good parts), then can you really feel the link deep inside to Singapore. and also, you will realise that all the nice impression of other countries painted to us by the media is actually very surface, or just to cater to tourists...
Posted by: Clover | Apr 28, 2005 9:32:10 PM
i think it's interesting that you brought up this point about our nation being built by immigrants, and yet singaporeans are going overseas (for whatever reason) to get dough for bread and butter... history v.much hits home to identity and how we see ourselves as part of a people. singapore history is a mish-mash of so many things, different cultures and nationalities, that sometimes i think we're rather, rojak. i'm certain that there're many stories left untold, stories from the generations that have passed on, stories from the people whose hands made this nation what it is right now. with globalization and all, it seems as if it's perfectly normal for us to leave our country and go overseas to make a living and stuff... who knows, globalization probably started way back when our ancestors made their way down from China, Malaysia, India and wherever-have-you... and judging by your podcast's popularity, guess singlish v.much identifies who we are, since the angmohs don't exactly know how to use "lah"... haha.
Posted by: li ling | Apr 28, 2005 10:27:14 PM
hey mb,
I am 1 Singaporean who went away for a while and came back. May I add that your website was my daily mantra back there and definitely one that helped with the homesickness, especially during the winter, xmas and CNY. This proposal is brillant!
Posted by: zeomy | Apr 28, 2005 11:46:26 PM
One name.... Goh Keng Swee. Unfortunately, we will probably never hear his side of history. Oh to have been present at his debates with LKY. the things they discussed about Singapore's beginnings.
Posted by: gga | Apr 29, 2005 12:47:24 AM
Mmm... good idea. When I get back to school, can 'tekan' the pupils (or rather their parents) to do this project.Interview the older folks. !
Posted by: Janice | Apr 29, 2005 1:08:00 AM
Wonderful idea!
I was actually thinking of doing something similar with taxi drivers and their tales.. Can't get anything more Singaporean than them eh :P
Posted by: myoclonic jerk | Apr 29, 2005 1:31:11 AM
I would love to hear the historical accounts of those persecuted for Marxism in the 1980s, those involved in Operation Cold Store, the rejected 2nd generation of PAP 'leaders' and of course, our longest serving political prisoner - Chia Thye Poh. Alternatively, it might also be interesting to hear from individuals who were NOT Singaporean but who have stayed here for a considerable amount of time and who were either forcibly ejected (foreign correspondents) or left on their own accord.
Posted by: Kelvin | Apr 29, 2005 3:15:48 AM
I have met several elderly gentlemen over here in the UK who served in S'pore during the second World War. One of them was imprisoned in Changi as a POW. They lived long enough in Singapore to know that I was Singaporean even though my accent has been tainted from spending so many years in England. They had some exciting stories to tell and you could see that they loved our island...although the one who was in Changi still had nightmares in his sleep. Let me know if you want help in your project. My grandfather was a Japanese interpreter...he's never spoken about his experience (although, we've never really asked).
Posted by: Debbie | May 1, 2005 3:18:55 AM
Actually, now that I think of it, Maybe you do have a point about this 'spirit of migration'. My father's side of the family are all Peranakan - in Singapore for generations. My maternal grandparents were from China. All my father's siblings are in Singapore still. My mother's siblings have moved on from Singapore to Australia, America and Britain. Interesting...
Posted by: Debbie | May 1, 2005 3:30:00 AM
mrbrown! this is definitely one of the more meaningful posts you've written. indeed, it is very true that many people have helped make the history of singapore. and sometimes memoirs alone cannot capture the true history of singapore. well done!
Posted by: mungyo | May 1, 2005 9:26:13 AM
wow, mr brown.i find this post esp meaningful to me,becos i'm studying overseas for abt 6 yrs. oh i come back every year.but every yr i come back, i find my opinion of s'pore changing, as i grow up myself.
i think there is a big difference between offcial history and the tales of ordinary pple. history lists facts, the big events, but the tales of us are the ones who would inspire,could touch pple, becos it would resonate in us,being something quite familar.Both play different parts of reminding us of our past, and i guess, linking us to our future.
Posted by: alexa | May 5, 2005 12:15:12 AM
This is certainly a big undertaking. I salute your efforts and I salute your wife, who will have to tolerate even more of your time on the computer! Happy to contribute where I can - my husband and I have lived away from Singapore for some 5 years now (previously HK, now Tokyo). We want to go home at some point. Every new city presents exciting opportunities, but Singapore is the one thing that everywhere else isn't - home. We know rolling stones - people who have no place to call home - and we don't envy them. After this time spent abroad, we figure that in every city/country you live in, there's ALWAYS going to be something you don't like. So if we were to choose an imperfect country to live in, we'd choose where our families are.
Posted by: Hsin | May 5, 2005 8:47:01 AM
It is interesting to note how everyone feels Singaporean and want to be home. I've been away from Singapore the last five years and do not miss Singapore particularly. As much as I miss my friends and family, and that life is more uncomfortable here where I am, I feel liberated being outside Singapore.
Posted by: Raspberry Fragata | May 6, 2005 12:18:24 PM
sorry lah I am a little behind with the terminology podcasting what is it again??as you can see I don't speak perfect singlish.does any of your comment or your blogs have sound effect one. like if I can hear them word for word as spoken by a real singaporean.seriously speaking oral history spoken by the actual person first hand is a wonderful thing.if can be downloading into ipod will be fantastic. all the emotion and feeling one can get is better than any visual documentary
Posted by: david seet | May 7, 2005 4:22:50 AM
Leaving Singapore a year back was really too tough for me! It's so funny how we much we miss Singapore when we are in Australia but when we back in Singapore, we miss Australia...humans!
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