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Tuesday, August 28, 2007

Police: outdoor gatherings by political parties in open areas potentially dangerous

The Workers' Party recently tried to organise a mass cycling event at East Coast Park to celebrate their 50th anniversary but their permit was not granted because public places are "not meant to be used by a political party to promote its cause" and also because "outdoor gatherings by parties have the potential to cause a public disturbance".

When asked by Workers' Party MP Low Thia Khiang why political events in public places were deemed to cause disturbances, Senior Minister of State for Law and Home Affairs, Prof Ho Peng Kee told him, "You may be well-behaving, but there may be other people whom you come across when you cycle who may stop you, may want to debate with you and that may attract a crowd, and therefore will result in problems the police want to avoid."

As a cyclist, I totally support Dr Ho Peng Kee's point. I absolutely hate those people who stop me when I am cycling to engage in political debate. It totally throws off my cycling rhythm and cadence.

This is unlike cycling events organised by the government. There are no potential public disturbances there because people would never think of stopping cycling politicians from the ruling party to argue politics with them.

But my favourite quote from the exchange has to be Prof Ho's witty retort to Mr Low's question:

"If you listened very carefully Mr Low, I don’t know whether his hearing aid is with him because he wears one, I said there is a greater potential for law and order problems." [emphasis mine]

Classy, Prof Ho, very classy.


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News article from Straits Times:
Aug 28, 2007
JEREMY AU YONG

Outdoor events by political parties banned

A PERMIT application by the Workers' Party (WP) to hold a cycling event for its 50th anniversary was rejected because political parties are banned from organising outdoor activities.

This is a longstanding position, as outdoor gatherings by parties have the potential to cause a public disturbance, said Senior Minister of State for Law and Home Affairs Ho Peng Kee yesterday.

He was responding to Non-Constituency MP Sylvia Lim, who wanted to know why the WP could not get a police permit for a mass cycling event at East Coast Park.

Said Associate Professor Ho: 'The East Coast Park is a recreational park for Singaporeans and their families. It is not meant to be used by a political party to promote its cause.

'Apart from displacing the usual recreational users...it is an open area where there is greater potential for breach of the peace, public disorder and unruly behaviour.'

He said that police required political events to be held indoors or in stadiums where problems could be contained, adding that the WP could consider these venues. The policy applied to all political parties, he said.

To another question from Ms Lim, he said that even if the organisers were well behaved, others there might still cause problems.

To laughter, he added: 'Maybe cycle around the stadium.'

Then, WP MP Low Thia Khiang (Hougang) rose to ask why political events in public places were deemed to cause disturbances.

He also asked if Prof Ho considered cycling in a stadium a reasonable suggestion, and if the minister could designate a part of East Coast Park for sports by parties, just as Hong Lim Park became designated Speakers' Corner. Just before he sat down, Mr Low remarked: 'Cycling at Hong Lim Park? Don't tell me that, ah.'

To the first question, Prof Ho retorted: 'If you listened very carefully Mr Low, I don't know whether his hearing aid is with him because he wears one, I said there is a greater potential for law and order (problems).

'You may be well-behaving, but there may be other people whom you come across when you cycle who may stop you, may want to debate with you and that may attract a crowd, and therefore will result in problems the police want to avoid.'

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So all election rallies by the opposition parties should also be banned because they attract crowds by the thousands!

I expect much higher standards from someone who professes to teach law!

Posted by: Traveller | Aug 28, 2007 9:25:49 PM

Wah lau eh, very below the belt!

Posted by: kite | Aug 28, 2007 9:29:20 PM

ok
now let see
gay pink tees banned
chij white elephants tees band
mr brown brown tee
also bandaid
now cycling bend
BUT
if pap organise
all lane openned
national stadium
kallang stadium
johore road stands also ok
nabei

Posted by: moshedyan | Aug 28, 2007 10:24:21 PM

how come PAP convention the entire suntec city road closed?

Posted by: datok | Aug 28, 2007 11:44:21 PM

hee hee.. I think they jealous because when they hold mass events, people don't come up to them to greet them and ask to shake hands...


*rolls eyes*

Posted by: jam | Aug 29, 2007 1:16:18 AM

It seems like the government is getting more disconnected everyday. So much for an 'inclusive society'.

I don't understand why the general public don't get upset over the unprofessionalism of Prof. Ho. Both as a man of academia and politics.

The insult to Mr Low, is really uncalled for. If I was Mr Low, I'd ask him for a public apology.

Posted by: David C | Aug 29, 2007 8:00:14 AM

PAP double standards

Posted by: adrian | Aug 29, 2007 11:50:46 AM

David C,
An opposition politician is unlikely to extract an apology from him. At most, he would "regret" his comments as it is "taken out of context"

Posted by: Daniel W | Aug 29, 2007 1:09:04 PM

fascism

Posted by: loupgarou | Aug 29, 2007 3:11:25 PM

Dear Friends,

singaporeans have all the while lived with the strict atmosphere. They are ok with it, else they would have signalled their disapproval. Given the continuous 40 odd years of relentless undying support, I think people are ok with the status quo and does not want change. Its funny that even cycling is prohibited for WP to reach out to its members-only. Thanks to the majority, we now get to deserve whatever comes our way. truely 1st world and uniquely singapore.

Posted by: HO_LAN_J | Aug 29, 2007 4:58:26 PM

why like that???
Someone say this place will be a more open society, place for all, and land of possiblities

But i'm CONFUSED the things that come up on the news (not ST pui!) are contradicting the promises made

look at what we get, 2+years NS not enough must have liability while FT are welcome and laugh at us always kpkb while stealing our jobs.

When you're old you can't retire cause no welfare and instead you carry your own weight and lighten the gahmen load.

Public events a big NONO it is a threat to society cause we very inclusive rite!


Posted by: dicksonlee | Aug 29, 2007 7:04:56 PM

oh prof ho can join the group of former acs students we love to hate - bala and admiral lui.

Posted by: beatthat | Aug 29, 2007 10:13:12 PM

what if they organised a mass walking event? or a mass diet event?

Posted by: guide | Aug 30, 2007 9:11:40 AM

I posted below questions on MB's blog of Aug 10 but didn't get any response from any bros or sis out there. Thought this thread might be a more relevant place to post them again:

"I have always noticed that PAP has a contingent flying lots of PAP party flags in the past NDPs (and this year's too) but I don't remember seeing the opposition parties' contingents in any local media coverage all these years. My questions are: Do such contingents representing political parties need an invitation to participate in the NDP? If yes, were the oppositions invited at all? Or they were invited but decided not to participate? Or the opposition contingents were there but too small to be noticeable? Or the local media had conveniently (as usual) avoided featuring the oppositions' contingents? Last but not least, I was always under the impression that any public display of political nature can only happen during the election period and not any other days. Is NDP an exception for this rule? I am just curious and would appreciate it very much if anyone out there can shed some lights on my questions."

It's ok if there is no response to my questions. My point is: If PAP can put up a parade, so can the oppositions!

Posted by: Unwilling Slave of PAP | Aug 30, 2007 10:32:28 AM

Did we build this country for Singaporeans or for them? Now they are telling us they own this island like their own backyards.

Posted by: Unwilling Slave of PAP | Aug 30, 2007 10:50:10 AM

Tat professor can says such kind of logic. Ha! Ha! Ha!

Posted by: NoFear | Aug 30, 2007 9:13:17 PM

The HDB girl also one of a kind lah. wat can not build new flat for young couple. All the main party hilarious speech, jus to rise cost of living in singapore, so as to achive GPD growth and provide data for the nex election. All fake growth, stupid singaporean will belive one. Low down and dirty! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Posted by: NoFear | Aug 30, 2007 9:40:10 PM

What to do. Capitalist autocracy.

-sighs

Tough luck, Singaporeans. Make sure you vote properly in the next general elections now!

Posted by: Product of capitalist state | Aug 31, 2007 1:30:57 AM

[i]Suicides: 'Worrying' rise among older people

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Aug 29, 2007
Suicides: 'Worrying' rise among older people
THE number of men in their 40s and women in their 50s who commit suicide here has shot up since 2003.

Official 2006 figures show that for every 100,000 people in each group, five more killed themselves.

The rise, said Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports Vivian Balakrishnan, is 'a worrying trend as each suicide is a tragic loss for the family as well as for the community'.

Dr Balakrishnan made the comment in a written reply to Mr Low Thia Khiang (Hougang), who had asked if suicide rates in these two groups have gone up, reasons for any increase and preventive measures taken.

The reply, released to the media yesterday, disclosed that for for every 100,000 men in their 40s, the rate jumped from 14 in 2003 to 19 in 2006.

Similar figures for the same period show that the rate for women in their 50s rose from eight to 13.

There are multiple reasons for their actions, said Dr Balakrishnan. [size=18][color=red]He cited personality traits, mental health and the socio-cultural environment as possible contributing factors[/color][/size].

The increase over the past four years occurred despite a slew of initiatives - including a 24-hour hotline, counselling services and public awareness campaigns - already in place to prevent suicides.

While stressing the crucial role families play in helping those facing crises or stressful periods in their lives, Dr Balakrishnan said [size=24][color=red]the Government will now do even more to help[/color][/size].

For a start, the Health Promotion Board will work with the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports, the Ministry of Education, employers and grassroots organisations to expand programmes that [size=24][color=red]help people manage stress and build strong relationships with family members, colleagues and friends. [/color][/size][/i]
see the big big picture here
ole yes
all our kamikazee jumpers are just suffering from stress and mental health
[b]not 1 word on POOR/BROKE/PENNISLE$$[/b]
woah!
what will the government do by helping?
retrainning or expanding mental bridge wards?
and what would the Rc do?
just by telling the jumpers
we are doing what we can
except lending you money
and our relatives?
knocked on their doors
to tell them we are BROKE?
~zhee~
how stupid is the ministers here
blooming bloody ninkampoos
please lark
you can tell the whole wide world
we are thinking of your futures
we are helping you to stretch your cpf savings
we even encouraged you all to buy annulity premiums
yet you all jumped trains
come on peoples
bear with us
we also human what
we also lived day to day
liked you do
ok fair enough
we earned more than $100,000/month
you still get your $262/month
if you are entitled to
please dont jumped
lets be rational
say what?
i cannot hear you
say again please
you want what?
early cpf withdrawals?
please lark
we lived in a REAL world
you sick?
see a doctor lark
no money to see a doctor?
go temple
visit your tangkee medium lark
he will blessed your soul with holy water
hospital?
what hospitals
all are privates lark
they also needs $$$$ to maintain the hospital what
you all that broke mey?
not even $70 for an A&E visits mey?
no money to visit hospitals?
then go and die lark...
opps
you all did that
lets start all over again
meanwhile
i am rather busy right now
my lunchtime
i will get dr khaw to attend to you
afterall he is indeed a doctor
eer..
what
yes yes
i am a doctor
but different doctor lark
i doctor of something lark
some kind of witch doctor lark...

Posted by: moshedyan | Sep 1, 2007 2:03:12 AM

jesus christ PAP, Election rally time, don't want to face issues & debate, wayang big time, now people go for cycling, reply: scared of debate.

NDP time, fly your fucking flag high, while banning other parties from outdoor events.

Parliament time, give gangster's reply, can't even hold a proper debate.

What the fuck are you good for?? Overseas investing and boasting? Trails of fucking Shin Corpse. Stop disgracing Singaporeans.

Posted by: fp | Sep 1, 2007 3:15:27 AM

Hi Mr Brown, your post has been published in The Singapore Daily (singaporedaily.wordpress.com). Thank you for your support!
The SGDaily Team

Posted by: SGDaily | Sep 3, 2007 11:44:28 AM

That Prof Sio Hong Kee.....oops.....Ho Peng Kee, his answer is converted from hokkien "Tia ho seh, bo gua hi ki si boh?".....I think he is license pai gia.......

Posted by: Kana Smoke | Sep 4, 2007 8:48:10 AM

"This is unlike cycling events organised by the government. There are no potential public disturbances there because people would never think of stopping cycling politicians from the ruling party to argue politics with them."

Actually quite true. who would go and argue wif pap?

Posted by: StupidGenius | Sep 5, 2007 10:47:01 AM

Actually if you think about it...I think noone would bother to go 'debate' with any politician anyway...not when they're a whole group of 'em cycling past...in fact, I think they won't be flyin' their WP flag...which means, most probably people won't know their from WP.


Dunno wtf those guys at PAP are thinking.

Posted by: -E- | Sep 5, 2007 2:43:16 PM

I say if the oppositions were to hold wholesome gatherings, permit will still like be given cause accordingto their reasoning they are likely to cause disturbances. But if the PAP were to hold a mass orgy,
permit will definity be given. Reasons: it helps procreation and more babies for Singapore

Posted by: jack leong | Sep 5, 2007 8:41:28 PM

Associate Professor Ho: 'The East Coast Park is a recreational park for Singaporeans and their families. It is not meant to be used by a political party to promote its cause.

This is classic. So if the WP members all went to EAst Coast Park on that day with their families and had a picnic, fly some kites and enjoy the sun, sand and breeze IN THE SPIRIT of RECREATION, would it still be an illegal gathering?

Posted by: ivan | Sep 6, 2007 9:06:57 PM

I think Prof Ho's comment on hearing aid for LTK referred to the translation head pieces. LTK uses one. I think Prof Ho was asking LTK is he missed the translation if he didn't have his headset on. In the heat of the moment, Prof Ho said "hearing aid", which isn't elegant, admittedly. It's an honest mistake.

Posted by: Ben | Sep 7, 2007 11:52:34 AM

So Ben, Prof Ho was referring to LTK's poor English and his need to listen to a Chinese translation?

Oh, that's ok then.

Posted by: mb | Sep 7, 2007 11:57:33 AM

ivan raised a valid point. They should just show up at East Coast doing their own thing without having to apply for a permit.

Having a permit to assemble is silly anyway. What next, requiring a permit to have a video-conference? To go on WoW?

Posted by: E.T. | Sep 7, 2007 1:17:35 PM

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